Curse

Lando Griffen · Jul 01, 2006, 07:11 AM // 07:11

I found that with the way things are, the higher I climb in rank, the easier it is to join a HoH pug, but even then, there aren't many non-FoTM builds that aren't r9+ (which I'm currently not) (or FoTY builds for that matter

). Aside from having ranked friends, or a good guild, it's incredibly hard for new people to join a team that will make it past the first match without someone ragequitting (now there are very few random pugs, so when someone makes one, they end up facing good groups at the beginning and then the team falls apart). People are more concerned with fame farming than having fun. I sometimes invite unranked people that I know are good, but mostly, there are so few people that rank discrimination is the only "fast" way to put together a decent group, and in turn, more unranked people give up on pvp...I'd love for HoH to get to the point where anyone can have a limited amount of time, pick any build that they feel like playing, and join a successful group, but if nothing changes, your options are 1. Have a good guild that likes to do HoH 2. Spend 30 minutes to an hour putting together an organized group, only to have it fall apart the minute someone quits (every build has a counter, no exceptions...sometimes you don't have good luck to start with) 3. Spend 5-10 minutes putting together a FoTM build...sure you get fame that way, but is it fun?

-Old 3FL- · Jul 01, 2006, 07:18 AM // 07:18

I dunno why your sad.
HoH was a waste of time imo~
GvG is 1000x better.

Miss Innocent · Jul 01, 2006, 07:37 AM // 07:37

I quit hitting up the HoH because I can never get on a team. I even wanted to join a group of players who were asking for a WoH Monk, when that's exactly what I normally play (PvE and other PvP), but because I didn't have the fame, they didn't want me.

In fact, that's been my problem the whole time: Not enough fame, we don't want you. And there aren't enough other people to get with. Maybe I should just go henchies, although I'll die instantly if I meet a real group, and it won't be much fun -- no planning, no strategizing, no anything.

Proud owner of 7 fame.

Lando Griffen · Jul 01, 2006, 07:48 AM // 07:48

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Originally Posted by Miss Innocent

I quit hitting up the HoH because I can never get on a team. I even wanted to join a group of players who were asking for a WoH Monk, when that's exactly what I normally play (PvE and other PvP), but because I didn't have the fame, they didn't want me.

In fact, that's been my problem the whole time: Not enough fame, we don't want you. And there aren't enough other people to get with. Maybe I should just go henchies, although I'll die instantly if I meet a real group, and it won't be much fun -- no planning, no strategizing, no anything.

Proud owner of 7 fame.

I'd rather play with an experienced pve monk then some of the ranked guys who obviously ebayed their account, or played 1 build to get to where they are and suddenly decide to change. I recently had a guy on my team who was from a very respected guild, had silver trim and everything (not one of the guilds that sells memberships), but he was terrible. We just assumed that he would know what he was doing, but it turns out he was just friends with some of the real members of the guild. Try to find a good guild that is willing to teach people and let them play. That way, even if you aren't winning as much as you'd like to, you'll probably be playing with people you like, and it will be a lot more fun

pigdestroyer · Jul 01, 2006, 08:07 AM // 08:07

as always the pve scrubs come here "OMG you iwayed or ebayed your rank!!"

youre just jealous

Sanji · Jul 01, 2006, 08:26 AM // 08:26

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Originally Posted by pigdestroyer

as always the pve scrubs come here "OMG you iwayed or ebayed your rank!!"

youre just jealous

Just because you're proud doesn't mean others are jealous when they are unimpressed.

Renegade ++RIP++ · Jul 01, 2006, 09:26 AM // 09:26

how to get rid of fotms:

1) adapt skills every 1-2 weeks, just play with the numbers... who cares for the skills being balanced before people found out the overpowered build the next change is happening already....
2) skillfull players will adapt in stead of keeping on playing the same builds as we have now.

or: simply make all pvp random.

So in conclusion the point being make hoh random.

Xeeron · Jul 01, 2006, 10:11 AM // 10:11

HA died of elitism, rank farming and FotM builds. And the number of teams nerf.
I did get rank 4 before the first FotM teams came around (no, not IWAY, remember the first (ranger) spirit spams and minion factories?). People would run balanced builds, sometimes crazy builds, but each battle was unique and you had to adapt very quickly.
Now a year later, I am still rank 4, because I cant put up with the boredom that HA has become. Yes we all hated the waiting matches when it came down to 3 teams left, but at least in those days 2 inferior teams could go on one FotM team together, thus keeping them in check. Now all maps are the same boring 8vs8 against always the same builds. I wont even begin to talk about the people who got Rank 9 with IWAY and now wont turn their head to notice anyone below that. GvG is *much* better, AB are much better, even RA is more fun for me.

- Xeeron

Navaros · Jul 01, 2006, 10:13 AM // 10:13

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Originally Posted by Sanji

Just because you're proud doesn't mean others are jealous when they are unimpressed.

I agree with that poster who said most players without an emote/rank are jealous of those with. If getting a tiger with IWAY is so "easy" then why do most of the people who bash IWAY not have one? It's because they are incapable of getting one even if by using IWAY themselves. Most likely they were using a horrible build that lost to IWAY bazillions of times (not because IWAY was ever overpowered; just because most players are not very good) and that caused them to become jealous and resentful of successful IWAY players.

If those players were given an option to have a tiger emote on a silver platter - they'd definitely say "Yes". But deep down they know there have never been silver platters for rank (other than spirit spamming, which truly was overpowered) and that none are ever coming, which just compounds their jealously in my view.

Theus · Jul 01, 2006, 11:23 AM // 11:23

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Originally Posted by Navaros

I agree with that poster who said most players without an emote/rank are jealous of those with. If getting a tiger with IWAY is so "easy" then why do most of the people who bash IWAY not have one? It's because they are incapable of getting one even if by using IWAY themselves. Most likely they were using a horrible build that lost to IWAY bazillions of times (not because IWAY was ever overpowered; just because most players are not very good) and that caused them to become jealous and resentful of successful IWAY players.

If those players were given an option to have a tiger emote on a silver platter - they'd definitely say "Yes". But deep down they know there have never been silver platters for rank (other than spirit spamming, which truly was overpowered) and that none are ever coming, which just compounds their jealously in my view.

I'm jealous of you for beating the same 3 FotM builds for hours on end in HA.

I am so jealous.No.Really.

General Surena · Jul 01, 2006, 11:58 AM // 11:58

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Originally Posted by Theus

I'm jealous of you for beating the same 3 FotM builds for hours on end in HA.

I am so jealous.No.Really.

Not to mention that naming your char "iway ftw" speaks so for itself.

Tingi · Jul 01, 2006, 01:28 PM // 13:28

Yea i agree that HA has died due to elitism, i got my r3 ages ago jst because then i could get in a group much more easily. However, how AB has come in, i usually jst miss out HA due to the fact its better, and there are so many pompus HA'ers with their r9 etc calling me a r3 pve noob when i offer to join their group..GvG is jst way more fun anyway

.

Lando Griffen · Jul 01, 2006, 02:57 PM // 14:57

But sometimes getting into a good gvg guild means you have to be high ranked, so keep on grinding

Lando Griffen · Jul 01, 2006, 03:09 PM // 15:09

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Originally Posted by pigdestroyer

as always the pve scrubs come here "OMG you iwayed or ebayed your rank!!"

youre just jealous

If you're referring to my post, I'm talking about ranked guys who are terrible players. I doubt I'd ever ask you to monk for my team. There are people who do that to get rank, and either the majority of people are retarded, or it's a lot more common than you seem to think, which is why guild groups are usually the way to go. I gaurantee that there are probably some iwayers who really are good pvp'ers in general, but I know a lot of people that have 1 pvp character: a w/r, whose sole purpose is to farm fame. I doubt anyone is jealous of you, although in general, r9>r6>r3 etc, it certainly isn't a rule that you must live by, I'm just saying there are some ranked players that suck horribly. I saw some r9 korean guy saying he was looking for a r3+ group, was it a joke? maybe, but then why was he still there an hour later when I came back?

TheOneMephisto · Jul 01, 2006, 03:23 PM // 15:23

So, the new players can't get rank because all the elitist ranked players. The elitist ranked players are eventually leaving because they are finding other stuff/getting bored of it. Therefore, the people in HA just slowly dies out, and it becomes pointless.

Eventually there's gonna be barely 1 district of HA, and it's basically only going to be people who are joking around.

Isaac Lunoa · Jul 01, 2006, 03:24 PM // 15:24

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Originally Posted by Lando Griffen

But sometimes getting into a good gvg guild means you have to be high ranked, so keep on grinding

No good GvG guild will ever require rank...

Kry Onicle · Jul 01, 2006, 03:36 PM // 15:36

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Originally Posted by l Alucard l

Some people spent all their guild wars career trying to get r6/9 then some iway come in and get r9 in a month.

QFT. I started Ha'ing around March, with a few mates. One of them at the time being R7 (half way to R9 now) willing to show us the ropes. It took about 2-3 monthes to even see Rank 3 but we all stuck at it, running balanced builds mainly and a build we came up with (never got big, as it wasn't fame farming material lol)

Now were in a Pvp alliance, all heading towards R6 (I'm at 758 fame atm) and I think about 3 of thats from IWAY. It's annoying how people can view players who just play IWAY for hours upon hours a day to farm fame and get their emote are considered better more experienced players.

Lando Griffen · Jul 01, 2006, 03:44 PM // 15:44

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Originally Posted by Isaac Lunoa

No good GvG guild will ever require rank...

Hmm...maybe it's just a coincidence that top guilds are ranked then. I don't know how else top guilds recruit, (or that the even do for that matter), but I do know that there are a lot of guilds recruiting ranked players for the upcoming season, simply for the purpose of quality control. I doubt any of these guilds have the patience to make sure that random people are good. I would agree that it's not an accurate reflection of your gvg "skills", but it's a good way to ensure that if they give you a build to play, you can play it pretty well. I know certain guilds require that you have participated in a certain amount of matches (sometimes 500 or more), or maybe called some of those matches with good results, but just because they may not recruit based on rank doesn't mean you have a better chance to get in. BTW, offtopic question, is that the guild that Leeloof is in? I can't ever remember if it's that or ugly ducklings because he's not always in a guild group. (I just remember the tag

)

pigdestroyer · Jul 01, 2006, 04:43 PM // 16:43

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Originally Posted by Isaac Lunoa

No good GvG guild will ever require rank...

yes they do

leprekan · Jul 01, 2006, 05:54 PM // 17:54

After reading all the posts in this thread I have a question. Why don't the UNhappy people from this thread with little or no rank meet in game and run as a group? Finding a group problem solved! Now when the first rank3 group slaughters you please try not to get discouraged. The difference between winners and whiners is ... winners learn from the loss and continue forward.

The whine about FOTMs makes anyone that has played hoh laugh ... FOTMS have been around almost as long as hoh. Adapt modify overcome ... welcome to the winners circle. To those saying they get "tired of beating the same 3 FOTMS" I cry BS. Winning is winning I have never met anyone that was upset they beat a fotm. If you are honest it is LOSING to them that makes you mad not beating them.

HoH is on its deathbed because MANY of us rank 9 and up got bored. When you have 8k of fame and need 12k more for your next emote ... takes true nerd genes to dedicate that kind of time to getting it.